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As a general rule, I think banning books is wrong. That said, I wish that fewer girls would read the Twilight saga and view it as a description of how a relationship is supposed to work. Read it, if you want, but don't be misled.

Date: 2009-11-18 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melydia.livejournal.com
Oh come on, you're just an old married lady. What do you know about twu wuv? If you and Kevin were really in love you wouldn't be able to handle being apart from each other for more than twenty minutes at a time!

Aside: Graham (remember him?) reportedly used to watch me while I slept. I still feel itchy thinking about it.

Date: 2009-11-18 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladynorbert.livejournal.com
Oh, wow, Graham...I'd forgotten about him!

Kevin has watched me sleep on occasion, or I've watched him sleep -- usually if the sleeping one is sick. We don't do it for very long, though...it gets boring fast.

Date: 2009-11-18 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tribalw0lf.livejournal.com
I watch Rob sleep sometimes, not for long. Then I kiss him and I go to sleep.

Date: 2009-11-18 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melydia.livejournal.com
Watching while someone is sick is different, I think, and certainly more exciting, what with the prospect of them suddenly vomiting on the floor and all.

But if they're not sick, well, I just don't see the interest. Not only is it boring to the extreme, people aren't particularly attractive while they sleep. Or at least I'm not. I snore and drool and mutter incoherently. Heck, cats are totally adorable when they sleep, and I can't even watch them for very long.

Date: 2009-11-18 05:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twilightsocks.livejournal.com
It's also not twu wuv if you didn't go through months of agony and hurting each other before finally being open about your feelings and falling into each other's arms in a shower of sparkles.

Date: 2009-11-18 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladynorbert.livejournal.com
Lol. What amuses me about that is that when you and DeBray first got engaged, I remember being hopelessly confused because I wasn't aware that you had a boyfriend, much less one that you had been with long enough to consider engagement. Obviously we didn't know each other too well back then!

Date: 2009-11-18 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twilightsocks.livejournal.com
Well, I didn't say much about our relationship or its progress at the time. I posted briefly about having a boyfriend, and the next time I mentioned it, we were engaged. XD

I guess a lot of people were expecting the romantic play-by-play, but I kept most things to myself, 'cause it was our business, and gushing generally isn't my thing. It just bothered me that that one person assumed that since I hadn't posted every little heart flutter on El-Jay, that all our very serious and open conversations about where we wanted our relationship to go could not have taken place.

Date: 2009-11-18 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladynorbert.livejournal.com
Ah, yeah, fail on their part. That's just silly.

My reaction ran pretty much like: "She's engaged! Wait, she has a boyfriend? Huh. Apparently so. Oh, well, cool, good for them!"

I figured he must be okay if you wanted to marry him, and I maintain that I was right. ^_^

Date: 2009-11-19 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twilightsocks.livejournal.com
The person in question was also a very, very bitter divorcée. One of those "I made a bad choice in marrying someone; therefore you're making a bad choice, too" sorts. She also hated TEH S3XX0RZ and freaked at any mention of a girl enjoying it. It's like, geez, woman, you want everyone to be as miserable as you are?

I'm not friends with her anymore. ;P

Date: 2009-11-18 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melydia.livejournal.com
Well, duh. Aren't you supposed to earn your relationships through hardship and general asshattery? After all, making your feelings clear means you might actually get to be genuinely happy with someone, and heaven knows we can't have that.

Date: 2009-11-18 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twilightsocks.livejournal.com
LOL!

My then-boyfriend actually had a list of questions he wanted to ask me. Did I have any huge debts, had I ever been in trouble with the law, that kind of thing. I guess a lot of people would have found that unromantic and insulting, but I appreciated the openness, and I told him so. I despise lovers' games. We ended up being a good match. XD

Date: 2009-11-18 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maddarilke.livejournal.com
THIS. I have a real problem w/Twilight. For that reason, and because the vampires aren't vampires, and the werewolves aren't werewolves. WTF. ;)

Unfortunately, Michael Sheen is in the new Twi-movie, so I will have to find a way of seeing it without actually paying to do so.

Date: 2009-11-18 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladynorbert.livejournal.com
Your love of Michael Sheen garners you an official excuse, in my opinion. ;)

Date: 2009-11-18 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maddarilke.livejournal.com
LOL I'm trying to believe the rumors that his daughter is a Twi-fan, and coerced him into taking the role.

Date: 2009-11-18 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blaze-rocket.livejournal.com
Thissss... all taste, and quality aside, it disturbs me that these books are specifically aimed at a group of people who haven't yet solidified their critical thinking skills, and are prone to suggestion and imitation.

I think someone needs to make up big, yellow "Yeild sign" stickers with "THIS BOOK CONTAINS WHAT WOULD BE A DANGEROUS, STALKER, CO-DEPENDENT RELATIONSHIP WERE IT NOT FANTASY" on them. Then we can go on guerrilla runs and slap them onto one of those reportedly blank pages in the middle. Or on the cover. Or over the prologue. Or Afterword. Or all of the above.

Date: 2009-11-19 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophy.livejournal.com
That is a brilliant idea!

And I mean, I love my cheesy vampire fiction as much as the next gal, but anyone taking relationship advice from Twilight is just ... well, it's icky.

Date: 2009-11-19 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_madam_mina_/
I don't know, I just really don't think anything ridiculous like that is necessary - are we going to post warnings like that in all YA novels that people find objectionable in one way or another...?

Date: 2009-11-19 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladynorbert.livejournal.com
She's just kidding, hon. That's Steph's sense of humor.

Date: 2009-11-19 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_madam_mina_/
Oh, sorry about that - sorry Steph *head desk* sometimes sarcasm is hard to read online

Date: 2009-11-19 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladynorbert.livejournal.com
Don't worry about it :) It really can be difficult. Steph genuinely doesn't like the books (although I know you and a couple of my other friends do), but she wouldn't make a suggestion like that with any sort of seriousness. At least, I don't think she would.

Date: 2009-11-19 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_madam_mina_/
That's ok, I'm fine with people not liking some books that I love but banning/censorship of media is a pet peeve of mine so I can get quite grumpy about it very easily. I have to keep Big Brother in check :P

Date: 2009-11-20 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blaze-rocket.livejournal.com
Heh, no problem. I'm prone to a bit of hyperbole when it comes to... well most things, now that I think on it ^.^;;

I'm probably not giving teenaged-girls enough credit.

Then again, I do remember what a raging moron I was at that age. o.o (haha. She says as if she isn't anymore :B)

Date: 2009-11-19 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nentikobe.livejournal.com
The sad thing is, half the YA adult section would have to be banned... and the horror is that if I were still the 13 year old me, I probably would've swallowed Twilight and then some! (though I would've grown out of it.)

Vampires + Sparkly = *gag*

I got through Twilight, but barely. It was trite. Utterly trite. I guess I knew the Harry Potter rage would be over at some point, but did it have to be replaced with something so utterly vomitous?

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